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Date: 2016-06-10 12:46 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2016-06-10 12:49 pm (UTC)PS don't suppose you feel like Gishing this year?
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Date: 2016-06-10 12:58 pm (UTC)(but I'm hoping to regain some levity soon and be able to read codas etc soon -ish).
And no. No Gishing for me this year. I have no idea how you guys stay invigorated! But good luck! I'll be cheerleading for you all. <3
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Date: 2016-06-10 02:46 pm (UTC)I went to have a look and enjoyed it very much, so thanks!
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Date: 2016-06-10 01:31 pm (UTC)Tumblr is something I just look at mostly for the pretty now. I don't even follow that many SPN blogs. A lot of SPN fans there have moved on to other things so it's a weird combo of cats and fandoms I've never heard of along with the space blogs.
I'm still half a season behind in watching the show and I don't feel any urgent need to catch up. I think I'm kind of at peace with that. It's still really cool to see familiar faces pop in here. Hope the rest of your life is going good.
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Date: 2016-06-10 01:43 pm (UTC)I haven't been on tumblr for ages, but yes. It has a lot of pretty stuff and people make some amazing graphics. I once thought it would be a good place for me, but discovered it's quite impersonal.
And er, possibly no need to be in a hurry to watch the end of SPN. I dunno. Red Meat is certainly worth a watch. The last 4 eps have possibly been the reason for wanting to just run away from it all.
The rest of my life is pretty good! :) Just started acting in a show so I'm well distracted with that. Especially as I have a lot of lines to learn. *meep*
*hugs* It's the familiar faces on LJ that make it hard to leave fandom all together.
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Date: 2016-06-10 01:57 pm (UTC)You managed to step back from it all. Was it hard? As in emotionally hard? You had other fandoms though so maybe that helped? I feel like I've been grieving for the past month (maybe even longer). It sucks.
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Date: 2016-06-10 01:55 pm (UTC)Perhaps some nice AU big bangs will help :-) or re-visit old favorites.
ETA: I didn't know you acted! Very cool! I think about community theater - I did a show a couple of years back, but nw my work schedule is 4 nights a week (thats when the dojo is open) and that's hard to work rehearsals around. Go you!!
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Date: 2016-06-10 02:04 pm (UTC)And big bangs are a good idea. :)
I didn't know you acted!
Hehe, yes. It's been a love of mine since forever (well, since I can remember). I haven't done anything for a while because of the same reasons as you. It's so time consuming. But with my waning interest in fandom I thought it would be good to get involved again. It's been fun so far. :)
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Date: 2016-06-10 02:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-06-11 12:41 pm (UTC)And I have lots to keep me busy. Actually, I've just finished making a vid for school - so it was nice to use stuff I've learned in fandom. :)
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Date: 2016-06-10 03:05 pm (UTC)Fandom can be incredibly exhausting. We had a discussion about that at the spn_bunker shortly after the finale, and it turns out that pretty much everyone talks about the show in private these days, because the general wank and negativity are too draining to deal with all the time.
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Date: 2016-06-11 12:48 pm (UTC)Ooh, that would have been interesting. And I think you're right.about talking being done in private. I think it's hard to discuss the show - particularly on Twitter - when there's so many different views (though certainly not impossible).
It IS draining and I admire people who can stick with it and not get burnt out.
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Date: 2016-06-10 03:21 pm (UTC)I've also been getting into the swing of checking Tumblr lately and noticed threads of contention regarding the latest film that have kicked into high gear. And I was just thinking "Nope, nope, nope...I want none of that."
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Date: 2016-06-11 12:54 pm (UTC)I'm looking forward to the new Avengers film - still haven't see it! I've heard some good things (but I don't think I'll be fannish about it. But I'll see!)
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Date: 2016-06-10 09:21 pm (UTC)Although I would say I'm not in fandom any longer as I don't read fic or visit Tumblr where everyone else seems to be and I've never even thought fandom could exist on Twitter (yeah, I have Twitter but I amuse myself following all the police dog handlers - spn talk in 140 characters? Nope), but I still live in hope that fandom is what you make of it and you can still find places that feel like home.
However I think there comes a time where the grind of fandom is just too damned tiring and I reached a level of exhaustion where I just didn't care any longer, about show or fandom and once my attention was diverted just a few degrees it became harder and harder to feel connected to anything. I've changed and fandom has changed and quite honestly, although I miss the people in fandom and I miss the creativity I found in myself - I just haven't been able to find a spark of interest.
I'm still watching the show, I'll always stop by here because I'm interested in hearing what YOU have to say and your posts have always been the one thing that makes me regret what fandom has meant to me, that connection to others and the discussion of opposite thoughts which brought us together, those are the best parts, but after 11 years maybe there's just not much left to say?
((hugs)) I hope you find what you're looking for.
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Date: 2016-06-13 02:11 pm (UTC)Yeah. Especially the rude part.
LJ is still the nicer place - though it's so very quite. I think Twitter is instant and people are drawn to that. I have certainly enjoyed it. There was a time when much of it was joy - but lately it's such a mix of thoughts it's just too hard to know where one fits. It's too difficult to have a proper discussion.
Its the first time since I started vidding (so, back in 2006) that I haven't made a single vid in 6 months. I've tried, but - as you mention - the spark just ins't there. It's got me down, but mainly because I remember how much enjoyment I used to get out of it.
It's doubtful I'll write reaction posts next season, simply because (as you say) there seems little left to say. I feel like the writers don't follow any plan or any rules so it's hardly worth thinking too hard about it all any more.
But, we'll see. A rest might spark an interest again. :)
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Date: 2016-06-11 02:22 am (UTC)Not being interested in a show makes it hard to stay in fandom. My first fandom was "House MD". It was all-consuming, and we didn't have Twitter! When the show was canceled, after a year everyone sort of dribbled away. I miss that so much. I've met and made some RL friends. I hope you've been able to do that with SPN. You were a HUGE help to me during Jared's breakdown.
Twitter can be evil, even if it's not about fandom. I'd find I enjoyed an episode. Then went on twitter and saw people ranting, bitching, etc. which would materially affect how I perceived the episode. I stopped doing that. As someone else said, you have to get through an enormous amount of dross to get to the gold.
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Date: 2016-06-15 01:38 pm (UTC)It's so weird. I wrote some positive things about the very last ep - and got a little hammered for that from some fans. Not that I was generally feeling positive about it - in fact, it all left me rather numb. It's made me so sad because I felt like the season had some great moments but it all fell apart spectacularly at the end. The more I think about it, the sadder I get. So, I've decided to just stop thinking about it - and that's working really well so far. :)
I've met and made some RL friends. I hope you've been able to do that with SPN.
I have! I've met some lovely people and I've been able to share my love of the show in person with quite a few people. I will ALWAYS look back on my fandom time with warmth. I got so much out of it and made friends with some wonderful people. It's been an incredible experience. :)
Then went on twitter and saw people ranting, bitching, etc. which would materially affect how I perceived the episode.
Yeah. That's happened to me. OR, I've felt bitter about something in the show (like the hollow return of the amulet) and seen people squee about it and feel either annoyed or disconnected. I've made a pact with myself that next season I am watching the show and just not be involved with fandom (I'm not sure if that will pan out, but it's my current plan *g*).
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Date: 2016-06-11 02:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-06-15 01:07 pm (UTC)Though I do think a break will be good and I am hoping to find some new inspiration after I have some time away. :)
*hugs*
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Date: 2016-06-11 02:59 am (UTC)I do miss your insights and fanworks and I will be hoping you regain a little love for show...or at least some equanimity over the fact that it is not as brilliant as it could be...but it has wonderful moments and Jared and Jensen...
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Date: 2016-06-15 01:15 pm (UTC)I have to say I've had very few negative experiences on LJ - thankfully (though the one I did have still resonates with me). I've been fortunate enough to engage in some lively discussions without it ever being hurtful. Twitter (and tumblr) aren't so forgiving. I'm enjoying not being there are the moment.
I will wait to see what S12 brings. I am hoping it returns strong, with a clear purpose and ideas and then maybe I'll find myself engaged enough to write up some reaction posts. :)
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Date: 2016-06-11 09:12 am (UTC)I've felt like that for a while. What's got your brain in a twist?
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Date: 2016-06-11 06:24 pm (UTC)I know there's a huge fandom world on tumbler but I refuse to go there because all I see are posts about ships that I absolutely despise and it makes me angry, so for my own sanity, I don't engage.
I was extraordinarily lucky when I was in the Queer As Folk fandom. I came late (right after the series ended), missed almost all of the infighting and wank and was able to find a great group of fans that I clicked with and had nothing but love for the show. We also moved to IJ and created a little QaF world for ourselves over there and that seemed to make a difference.
I'm sorry you're unhappy in fandom. I faithfully read every one of your show commentaries, even when I when I don't always agree with them, I truly appreciate your insightfulness and the depth of knowledge that you have concerning the show. I always feel that I learn more about the show because of your journal and your posts.
Hopefully, you can find a happy medium with fandom. I imagine you would be greatly missed.
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Date: 2016-06-15 01:50 pm (UTC)It's pretty active. And vocal. Passionate and it can be fun. But it's volatile because of the nature of twitter.
It's great to hear you were part of happy fandom world. I've mostly felt that on LJ with SPN. From the hey day when it was a very lively place to now - where it's a bit of a ghost town. It's nearly always been a cosy, easy going place. I know that if the show was still engaging me, LJ would still be my fandom home. :)
I truly appreciate your insightfulness and the depth of knowledge that you have concerning the show.
Thank you so much. <3 I have loved being able to discuss the show and engage in some thoughtful discussions. It's been a huge amount of fun and a part of fandom I have truly loved.
I do hope to find the love again. I know I will still watch the show, just not sure what my involvement in fandom will be.
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Date: 2016-06-14 05:46 pm (UTC)Sometimes seeing so much negativity and hate can really have an affect on me, even when I try not to let it. Maybe if you can look at how you access your fandom experiences, and remove some negative aspects of it, you can figure out a way to still enjoy it. I really hope you do, because as I've said before there are a lot of us who would hate to lose you here on LJ.
*big massive hugs again*
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Date: 2016-06-17 11:50 am (UTC)I'm not really sure what to do at the moment. I have to admit I am enjoying my time away. Maybe it will re-charge my batteries or it will signal the end of it all for me. I think also I am just really busy with RL so I haven't had as much time for fandom pursuits. It's SO weird losing interest. Having been obsessed for so long. I suppose it was always going to happen - after 10 years in fandom.
*HUGS*
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Date: 2016-06-18 03:14 am (UTC)My question was the last one, and Jared specifically asked us not to repeat what he said, so I’m respecting that. However, I will note that I asked Jensen the same question and he did NOT make that request. What I asked was (paraphrased): you and Jensen said in Rome that you basically rewrote the finale. How was the decision made to have Sam NOT protest Dean’s imminent death, or offer to go with him? Jared answered very thoughtfully and gave us a lot of insight into how the ep SHOULD have been.
Jensen had a lot of interesting things to say about the finale and the eps right before it as well. He said that there were a lot of people involved in the re-write (“I wouldn’t call it a re-write…more like triage.”) and reminded us that a lot was going on behind the scenes at that point, including the fact that Jeremy Carver had moved on to his new show and that change had caused a lot of chaos and confusion that had to be dealt with. At one point, he and Jared proposed that the finale ep simply be pulled and the season cut back to 22 eps; that conversation evolved into serious discussion of pulling the final three eps so that the season ended with 11.20 and picking up the storyline in S12. Unfortunately, the network stepped in at that point and nixed the whole idea because advertising had already been paid for. Jensen added that he thought 11.20 was a really powerful ep and would have made a great finale.
If you want the entire report, let me know. Creation made the poster take it down!
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Date: 2016-06-18 11:05 am (UTC)I also think having so many people involved in the writing of the finale meant it was all a bit messy. Considering all this was going on, it probably didn't end up as bad as if could have done. Still, it's all left me feeling a bit cold. Weirdly I felt more positive after I watched the last episode than I do now. Perhaps all the negativity surrounding it had effected me.
I think I am entering a new phase of the way I watch the show. I think I will always watch it (unless they totally re-write Sam and Dean), but I think I might be doing it without being in engaged in the fandom - Not entirely sure yet, much will depend on how the season starts.
Thank you for sharing that. I would have LOVED to have been a fly on the wall in that meet and greet. :)
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Date: 2016-07-08 03:16 am (UTC)It's been helpful for me to focus on the things that I do like about Show, because overall, the good outweighs the bad. And I won't let the writers spoil the stuff about it that I love. My feelings about the finale haven't changed, but I'm trying my best not to let it get to me.
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Date: 2016-07-12 10:39 am (UTC)I think a lot will depend on S12 as to whether I write up some thinky thoughts. I would like to, but if it's only negative then I will probably skip it. We'll see - it might become the only fannish thing I do (as I can't see my vidding motivation to come back).
I agree there are still many positive things still about the show. I will always look at it fondly and remember what I fell in love with. And as long as the brothers are front and centre I will always watch it. :)