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Jan. 17th, 2015 08:10 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I really don't know what to make of this. I found out today (via a heads up from a flistie <3) that a person that I have been following (though not intently) is not only a fake but a serial LJ plagiarist and sock. It weirds be out because if this is true this person had created a very elaborate back story of his life. The person is
micamonroe and it seems that some of you are already aware of this person - and the allegations that he's stolen stories and art.
I read a story of his (maybe his?) quite a few years ago. It was interesting to me because he claimed it was based on his own life experience. And I believed him.
But it seems it's all false. Well, according to this post (and the many links providing evidence).
His death was announced in a post recently (there's no point me linking it as it's friends locked) and of course many left condolences. He's also claimed to have been abused and has even been in a coma.
I have no idea what's truth or not. It's pretty damn sad if it's all been fake because - holy crap! Why?!!? Just to gather comments and gain sympathy? How sad a person must you been to create such an elaborate "other" life. His stories get A LOT of comments. I'm not sure how I missed the news that he's not who he claims to be.
Anyway. I'm not losing sleep over it. It's just freaking weird.
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I read a story of his (maybe his?) quite a few years ago. It was interesting to me because he claimed it was based on his own life experience. And I believed him.
But it seems it's all false. Well, according to this post (and the many links providing evidence).
His death was announced in a post recently (there's no point me linking it as it's friends locked) and of course many left condolences. He's also claimed to have been abused and has even been in a coma.
I have no idea what's truth or not. It's pretty damn sad if it's all been fake because - holy crap! Why?!!? Just to gather comments and gain sympathy? How sad a person must you been to create such an elaborate "other" life. His stories get A LOT of comments. I'm not sure how I missed the news that he's not who he claims to be.
Anyway. I'm not losing sleep over it. It's just freaking weird.
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Date: 2015-01-17 02:36 pm (UTC)It not that odd. People on the internet looking for attention. Looks at those people on tumblr recently faking suicides-- they managed to get attention from Misha, Mark, and others who took it seriously.
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Date: 2015-01-17 03:01 pm (UTC)I admit, I was inclined to believe that because I've encountered recently a real life troll who had a go at a friend of mine and who has caused problems in fandom in person at Asylum conventions. So these crazy nasty pieces of work do exist...
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Date: 2015-01-17 02:38 pm (UTC)Why do people do that? You are right, it is just weird.
I just looked at that list of this person's alter egos - how the hell do you keep track of so many different journals??? And comment on yourself? That is more than weird.
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Date: 2015-01-18 05:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-01-17 03:16 pm (UTC)I would love to know what the hell they're thinking.
I have enough difficultly trying to keep track of the real me, let alone making up a fake me! x
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Date: 2015-01-18 05:45 am (UTC)I have voiced my concern about this swell (on twitter). It had the unfortunate effect of upsetting someone I didn't want to upset, but the point was that with the Gofundme site now popular there has been an increased demand for financial help. Now, I agree that in some cases it's incredibly helpful and their are genuine people in need, but it's hard to know these days who's genuine and who isn't. Especially when people are prepared to create on line personas over years. I heard a startling figure (in the millions) of people who have been tricked by the romance scam. Falling in love with an online stranger and then them needing money to help them out of a dire situation. It's scary, because it preys on people's generosity and kindness.
I've become much more sceptical over the years. Though I was totally fooled by Mica. I had NO idea (luckily no money as been involved - I don't think).
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Date: 2015-01-17 05:05 pm (UTC)It's a bit like Munchhausens/Munchausen's by proxy in that it serves a pathological need to elicit care, sympathy and connection with others. But unfortunatly ultimately it's never enough, because the person knows that none of that attention is directed to the 'real me' which just further amplifies the need.
Although the deceit can be very upsetting and hurtful to the victims, I think your approach is the right one - to think of the individual as a very sad, unhappy and lonley person.
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Date: 2015-01-18 06:12 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2015-01-17 05:07 pm (UTC)But still. It's a terrible thing to do to people.
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Date: 2015-01-17 05:25 pm (UTC)What's particularly distressing about this is that yes, depression DOES escalate during the winter holidays and people who genuinely need help might get lost in all those little shits crying wolf.
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Date: 2015-01-17 05:23 pm (UTC)I'm super-skeptical of people on the internet. Before I buy anyone's sob story about anything, I research as much as I can and listen to my instincts about them.
Actually, I have a friend on-line who I met 15 years ago in a White Wolf vampire-themed rpg chat, and she faked being a 'he' for ages, to really sell the idea that her character was male. She was also trying to protect her real-life identity; back then, it wasn't nearly so accepted to live RPG chat stuff. I caught onto it early on and asked her point-blank, and she admitted it to me. Eventually, she admitted it to all the rp folks she actually cared about. We're still friends today, but she never tried to milk anyone for sympathy or attention or money. We had a mutual friend in this same circle who got taken for a lot of money (and hand-made gifts) by a guy claiming to be Italian and in love with her. We tracked his IP to Florida. SO not Italy. And there were other things too, but fact is, people do this crap to each other all the stinkin' time.
You're a good soul, Ash. He (or she) took advantage of a lot of good souls. Don't stop being kind-hearted! Just do a quick google if someone's life seems so fraught with misfortune, it's the stuff of soap operas. :)
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Date: 2015-01-18 06:26 am (UTC)Man, I wish I had! I feel like I'm pretty savvy around LJ, but it seems I missed this bit of info. I never got caught up in the bashing and coma thing, nor did I read more than one of "his" stories. It didn't even occur to be that it could all be fabricated because…why?! (I mean, I know why now, but never crossed my mind at the time). I mostly felt a passing "that's a shame'. Though the annoucement of his
*death* did catch me because after all the life dramas it felt like it could be true. Ha!
The romance scams are scary. I was listening to a program on them recently and in Aus they mentioned a figure in the millions that have been lost to these scams. So not only losing money but being left heart broken and lving with the knowledge you've been tricked.
I very wary of requests for money (as you know..;D) and that's something I monitor. Though I figure these are long term scams so it's hard to know who's out there building up a support net-work to then ask for help. This has made me even more sceptical. :/
And yeah! Googling is a good idea. Though, with Mica, it just never even crossed my mind. Perhaps I better find some more "warning" sites on LJ to follow.
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Date: 2015-01-17 05:40 pm (UTC)But then I remembered that about 15 years ago I was a moderator on a pretty big social forum and 2 of the people on the forum, a younger boy and an older women were having an online romance, then when the younger boy went to meet this "women" it turned about he was a 30's man. So after investigating it as best I could, the IP addresses showed that neither were where they said they lived. I banned them because no one needs that drama.
The internet is awesome for being anonymous and you can make up whatever you want about yourself.
I didn't know that Mica was stealing stories and art. I read a couple of his stories and thought they were pretty good. I was sad when he got beaten up, etc. But then I saw the post about his "death" so yeah, people can be weird and dramatic, wanting to be interesting instead of interested.
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Date: 2015-01-18 12:24 pm (UTC)I'm only going by what I've read on that post about his plagiarism. I trust they have looked into it and have some evidence (one link had screen caps etc). The stories were very popular. I hate to think of him/her getting credit without actually doing the work. :/
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Date: 2015-01-17 06:08 pm (UTC)Idk, I have too much on my own plate to pay too much attention.
I love and adore fandom/LJ community and had the pleasure of going to cons to meet rl fen. And as much as I love fen it still turns out, people are still people and just as batshit crazy as the next person! Judgment call via my own experience rooming with a few said crazies o.O
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Date: 2015-01-17 06:41 pm (UTC)Ironically, the community that fostered the author writing this book suffered just such a hoax, accepting a person who became welcome and beloved, until the life story became more and more unbelieveable, ending in a pseudocide on New Year's Day that left the community stunned, hurt, and deeply suspicious thereafter.
I don't get it, but I recognize that such people exist. I'm sorry people on LJ and elsewhere have been taken in by this micamonroe pseud.
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Date: 2015-01-18 12:32 pm (UTC)Thanks for the link. :)
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Date: 2015-01-17 08:46 pm (UTC)Some people are seriously fucked up and with the internet, it's so easy to lie and take advantage of others. It's one of the reasons why I keep my flist so small. I blab all the time about my personal life, and I like to know who I'm blabbing to :)
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Date: 2015-01-18 12:38 pm (UTC)It's certainly made me more aware now. Thanks for sharing this story. :)
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Date: 2015-01-17 09:38 pm (UTC)The pseudosuicide is simply because he/she has been found out and they need to ditch this journal so they can start up a new one and partake in a new identity.
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Date: 2015-01-18 06:32 am (UTC)Argh! How did I miss this?!! I kinda feel stoopid for missing out on knowing this.
And yes, it makes sense that he killed *himself* off. Will probably emerge somewhere else, under a different name.
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Date: 2015-01-17 10:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-01-18 02:08 pm (UTC)And plagiarists. Just. No. No excuse. Clearly no conscience or moral fibre. Ugh.
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Date: 2015-01-17 10:49 pm (UTC)It was around the time LJ's started locking down(for another reason). I think there was even a site or sticky where guilty usernames were listed.
Rock On!
Alley
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Date: 2015-01-19 02:02 pm (UTC)It was around the time LJ's started locking down(for another reason).
Another reason? I'm curious..
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Date: 2015-01-18 05:57 am (UTC)Can I be a real dweeb and ask "what is a sock?"
My live journal experience is limited - I am gobsmacked by this fake person/account....i can't even, I don't have words..I mean - okay shutting up now :-)
take care, sarahk
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Date: 2015-01-19 02:15 pm (UTC)A sock is a fake account. Also called sock puppets. Sometime people create them to leave hate or post spam. Or, in this case, create another identity.
And I've had my journal for nearly 10 years and I'm STILL learning. I can't believe it either.
Thanks hun.
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Date: 2015-01-18 10:46 am (UTC)Perhaps he's just trying to feel needed *hands* it's never easy to figure out someone's motivations when what they do is so strange!
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Date: 2015-01-19 02:17 pm (UTC)Amen! And I'm hearing about all sorts of crazy via this thread!
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Date: 2015-01-18 12:56 pm (UTC)For a long time I've suspected that someone on my flist is a fake. This is someone that, if they are real, is a total complete angel, and I am probably going to go to hell for doubting them.
I go back and forth on it all the time. The details about their personal life are so extensive, and contain a lot of what appears to be authentic emotions, but on the other hand... really? Can all that stuff happen to one person? Can someone's spouse really be that completely perfect?
The awful part is, I know this person considers me a friend. I keep up my end of the friendship, because if they are real, then they truly are a wondersful person, and I figure, it doesn't hurt to be kind.
I wish I could outright ask any of their other f-list if they have suspicions, but like I said, I feel like a giant jerk about the whole thing.
???? what to do ????
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Date: 2015-01-18 01:06 pm (UTC)I'm pretty sure that if you have other mutual friends that you feel confident asking about that person they wouldn't mind. Might even put your mind at rest about them.
ETA: And don't feel like a shit heel. It's having suspicions that can sometimes reveal these people. :)
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Date: 2015-01-18 06:36 pm (UTC)*nods**nods*
But I'm a little bit shocked that he/she/they still are able to get LJ user cought into their false and fake net.
*shakes head in disbelieve*
FYI, my dear, poor friend, this all [the fake LJ ID's + the plagiarism] already started in 2010 and it would fill pages to show you how much bad came from that corner since then.
So, I'll give you two links, instead, wich should explain the whole case(s) and meanwhile, we're sure that, at least, it had to be two of them sock puppets.
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Here are the links:
Stop Plagiarism from Jul. 7, 2011
Followed by:
Supernatural Warnings
The last link is a community where the owner - Thx Heavens - still has an eye on *coughs* highly unpleasant incidents like that.
*thumbs up*
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So if you want a cronology of the sock puppet(s) most inglorious doings, please scroll down said com a little bit and I bet you'll be surprised, how long this already is lasting...
*huggles*
P.S. You're not the first one who fell for their line, trust me, m'dear. Moi, for example, had to learn it the hard way too, back in the day...
*sighs + nods*
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Date: 2015-01-19 04:12 am (UTC)Thanks for that. Luckily I had pretty much no emotional investment as I didn't know the person (other than feeling sorry that someone could go through what he was apparently going through). I had no reason to doubt the stories because it made no sense to be that someone would make it all up.
The thing with the socks - how to people know it's the same person as mica? he posted fics for years and as far as I can tell no one called him out on it...? It's very confusing.
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Date: 2015-01-19 02:23 pm (UTC)I would unfriend but I'm curious to see if anything else happens on the account. His "death" was announced recently so I'm assuming that will be it. The worry is where else he/she will pop up.
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