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Finally something to post about!

Intro with a reminder that Sam was ALL ALONE !(THIS WILL BE IMPORTANT >>>> YAY!!!)

DEAN SAYING "COME 'ERE" AND HUGGING SAM!!! I. CANNOT. EVEN. (COME HERE LET ME PUT MY HANDS ALL OVER YOU!)

HUUGG!!!! OF course that's like YAY!!! because it's totally what they do when one dies and returns. HA!!! It's like the ONLY time they hug so show has to keep killing them off so they can HUG!! And what a schmoopy hug it was!

THEY LOOK GREAT! (Can I just quietly say... ESPECIALLY DEAN! Arghhh...did I say that?! Yes I did! He looks A-MAZING. So does Sam - but, you know, that's just a given...;D)

I'm even excited for disheveled, LOOKING WORSE FOR WEAR Castiel! What's the story?! I wanna know!! (I know...see... I can get excited for Cas stuff! I can! *g*)

KEEVINNNNNNN!!!!!!! LOOK AT HOW AWESOME HE IS! It looks like we have another kick ass hunter. Look how far he has come since the end of S7? No longer the timid, out of his depth boy. But... OMG?! What happened to him....?! He was with Crowley! Will he be working for Crowley maybe?! (Was that Kevin's girlfriend in there?) KEVIN IS COOL! AND CUTE!

ACTION! ADVENTURE! BOYS WORKING TOGETHER! MYSTERY! (CAN'T WAIT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE BOYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH IN THAT YEAR!) HELL GATES, MENTION OF LEVIATHAN (I didn't want that to have been swept under the carpet). AND SO MUCH MORE.... (my capslock button is breaking...)

And you know that spoiler about Sam not caring about Dean being gone?! Jared clarified that that ISN'T THE CASE! Don't forget - they not only have 23 episodes to fill this season but a possible 2 seasons more. They HAVE to do new things with their relationship. And from what I've heard... THEY ARE! \o/ ALL WILL BE FINE!

BRING IT FRIGGIN' ON!!!

(And now my dear friends... THAT WILL BE IT FOR SPOILERS FOR ME!! I have been corrupted enough... /o\)

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I HAVE TO MANY FEELINGS TO ARTICULATE MY OWN BUT THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH JUST ALL THE SAME AS YOURS, SO CO-SIGNED.

WOOT!!! \o/

My flist is flooded with S8 promo squee yet I am resisting the temptation to sneak a peak. There's only 27 days to go and I know I can last the distant. Just the hints and ""Feels"" I'm getting vibes of is enough to have me drooling with anticipation.

I KNOW I KNOW!! And I was TOOOO weak to resist! I figured I had been spoiled anyway so why not go the WHOLE HOG! :))

xox

And you know that spoiler about Sam not caring about Dean being gone?! Jared clarified that that ISN'T THE CASE!

Really? When, where and how did this happen? I hadn't heard. Because it was mostly what he said at Comic Con that had me depressed. Of course even in this promo, he doesn't look like he's exactly been pining away. I'm also not thrilled about them throwing another entire year into the timeline. That makes it what? 2014? I don't even know anymore.

Otherwise I do like all the same things you're happy about here. I think I'm just going to have to Let Go and Let Show, you know? Quit worrying about my own ideas of how their relationship should work and just enjoy the ride. And fill in the rest with fanfic. Unless your answer to my first question fixes all...

He said it at the recent VanCon. My friend

redteekal was there and let me know and I also had a comment on the separation meta saying the same thing. Basically he said there had been an misunderstanding about that and Sam doesn't give up on Dean. (which, I really can't imagine him doing. I can only expect that if he has exhausted EVERY avenue then he might give in to getting on with his life - the way Dean did during Sam's absence).

Now...

I admit that under the surface I am feeling much the same as you. I'm not particularly happy that it's another whole year (why do they do that when 4 months is plenty long enough to be separated!!?) I'm not tooooo worried about Sam seeming lack of pining because when S6 opened Dean was looking very content also. Ok...he was pining a little but he had got on with his life. I'd rather it not be like that (because I am convinced that they CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT EACH OTHER!), but if they are going to be doing a kind of mirror to Dean's year alone then I suppose I can see that.

Also, Dean looks remarkably well for someone who might have just gotten out of Purgatory. Can't wait for their backstories.

I'm not entirely convinced we are getting the whole picture. There's something brewing and I'm thinking that what we see might not be exactly what we expect (not so much the promo, but in terms of the boys and what's been going on).

So yeah. I've decided that it's easier and more fun to be excited at this point. When the show actually starts and we start to get the whole picture, then there might be gnashing of teething and ranting and raving.

How can he have exhausted every avenue if it never even occurred to him that Dean might be in purgatory, though? That has to be in the top five possibilities, but from the sound of it in the promo the concept was startling to him.

I'd like to be squeeful and maybe I would be if I weren't exhausted and depressed in general, but for now I can't get up much excitement. Unless Sam is outright lying about not having thought of Dean maybe being in purgatory, it doesn't seem like one of those things that can be modified into plausibility by later revelations.

I know Jared said Sam doesn't just abandon Dean, but I think they might still be going with the "Sam has no clue and no resources so what could he do?" line. Which just doesn't work, no matter how you slice it.

Yeah, it is a concern and if they don't have Sam at least considering that option then something will be wrong. I really just don't know... I admit I am looking on the positive side because I just WANT it to be ok. More than anything. So until I actually see what they are going to do with both him and Dean I am going to remain positive. In my mind there just HAS to be a reason for Sam not considering Purgatory or considering it and finding absolutely no way of getting in there. If they don't address this then I will find myself struggling to stay positive. But...I survived the soulless!Sam storyline (just) so I'm hoping I can survive this one.

*hugs* I'm sorry to hear that you are still being exhausted and depressed. I was feeling low last week and that was bad enough, I can't even imagine how awful it would be living with exhaustion and depression. (I hope show ends up being great for you so at least there's a little bit of positiveness).

xox

I feel exactly the same as you, but probably even more hopeless. I've heard it's going to be a rather Sam-lite season.

Ooooh...where did you hear that? I've already heard of two Sam heavy eps. I mean, I'm sure his new fatherhood might be taken into account but knowing Jared he won't shirk his responsibilities to the show. And I have to admit (being a Sam!gal 'n all) some of my fav eps have been very light Sam ones (The End being one of them...). I think awesome stories can still be written even if one of the characters is taking a little break.

I was just responding on a comment below and I wondered if people who are feeling negative about the show this coming season have essentially lost their overall love for it generally? I'm not asking this to stir up trouble../o\, but because I am genuinely interested. I know many fans have left the show because they are no longer enjoying the stories - which I can totally understand. But I look at that promo and just seeing the boys and knowing that the season is going to be relationship focussed makes me ridiculously excited.

Eeek... sorry to jump in here, especially as you weren't responding to me...but I'm in on line and thought I jump in. :))

xox

Hehe. I figure people are entitled to answer any and all comments in their own journals. ;)

where did you hear that?

Someone mentioned the Sam-liteness at the Sam and Dean OTP comm, plus SE Hinton was on set for the last episode and was tweeting about it. I think Jared was only shooting for two days out of the whole episode? The rest was all Benny, Dean and Cas. (And what she did mention about Sam and Dean was that they were fighting.) Oh! And the one Jensen directed was spoiled that it wasn't Sam-centric, but it was Dean-heavy, so that's another one.

I wondered if people who are feeling negative about the show this coming season have essentially lost their overall love for it generally

Hmm, I don't know that I would say I left the show because I lost my love for it generally. I really liked the first two episodes last year and was pretty excited about where the season seemed to be going, but it really didn't live up to that promise and I was being disappointed more and more by the episodes instead of happy and excited. It took a nose dive in quality to me around episodes 6-8ish? I can't remember exactly. I definitely liked the show more when it was road trips and horror movies and Sam and Dean against the world and I'd die for you every week instead of all the religion and apocalypse stuff. I think the angels were one of the worst things to happen to the show and have hung around way WAY too long.

the season is going to be relationship focussed makes me ridiculously excited.

And if season 8 were focussed on Sam and Dean's relationship, I might be excited too, but all the spoilers I've seen talk about how Sam and Dean have all these outside people to relate to now and how the season is going to be about those relationships and all we'll get is conflict between the brothers... and that's not the show I fell in love with. ;_;

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Ahh...*sadface* I didn't know that it was going to be all conflict again. Hmmm... that will make me anxious because I hate it most when they are in conflict. Though, idk, even when they are fighting it's always been because of reasons about each other. S1 had them conflicting but they sorted it out. Same with S4, S5 and then beginning of S6. I have to think that they only fight because of their epic love for each other. IF. IF that changes and they go back distrusting each other then I will struggle with that. But I will wait until I actually see that to start getting too worried.

I admit to preferring the simple on the road stories also. But for a show to go for so long I suppose it has to look at new ground to cover. I haven't minded the end-of-the-world scenarios so much. The angels have indeed been my least favourite of supernatural beings. Mostly because they haven't made a lot of sense to me. But usually a season contains a majority MoTW formula with about a third dealing with the major theme arc. On the whole I like that balance.

Thanks hun. I figure the peeps who have fallen out of love completely aren't even around these days. So I figure you gotta still love it a liiiittle bit.

xx

Well, I still love Sam and Dean and Jared and Jensen and fandom, even if I can't deal with the show. ♥

Oh, and I hated season 4 so much that it cannot be texturally rendered. So more conflict like that and I will be lobbying that they kill the show with fire. Because that was the season of distrust and everything I hate about the show now.

So yes, I know that shows need to change a little and find fresh things to cover, but it didn't have to be angels and Judeo-Christian everything for three years.

(Yes, I know I exaggerate, but hate clouds my vision.)

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S4 was HARD! Arghhh...(but, for me, so many strong eps also..)

But the second half of S6 and much of S7 (forget the Amy thing) was them working together. No mistrust to be found. So I'm hoping they can only move on from there.

but it didn't have to be angels and Judeo-Christian everything for three years.

Yes...it was a direction they decided to go. Though Kripke had set up that whole scenario from the very first episode. If you are going to give us demons then the natural question is do angels exist in that universe? Sure... they could have decided NOT to go down that route but it seems that Kripke's 5 year plan was all about Michael and Lucifer so it was inevitable.

We did have much of S7 NOT being about angels and demons - I think they were trying to pull away from that somewhat. Though I suppose Leviathan is from Purgatory and that's connected to that mythology..so...yeah.

I have to say I have never felt the show ever being preachy or religious (if I did I would would have been outta there a long time ago). It's more about exploring that theology and presenting questions and challenges to that. (this is a much bigger discussion and as it is I am WAY too pissed to put words together for that).

xox

Actually Kripke only thought up the angels after season three, during the writer's strike. Sam was originally supposed to go evil in getting Dean out of his deal. Not sure where you heard it was set up from the beginning?

And honestly, I don't care if it was preachy or not. I would never have started watching a show with so much overt religion in the first place. Felt like a bait and switch to me. And it seems like they're jumping right back into the angels with both feet this season. :(

I'm sorry you're pissed. I hope it's nothing I've said. Watch the promo a couple more times?

xoxo

Ha! Not pissed as in angry! Tehe... I meant pissed as in drunk too much.../o\ It's Friday night, I was drinking and I've enjoyed our chat! :))

I'd never get angry over differing opinions. I enjoy mulling it over.

I didn't realise angels where such a late thought. I figured if demons were in (which, he must have factored in the demon from the pilot?), angels have been considered too.

And yeah -looks like angels are back this season for sure. Well, one at least. I haven't heard about others - not that I've gone looking. I think I'm going to remain spoiler free from now on and just see what happens. :)

Of the eps filmed so far:

8.1: we don't know. Maybe it follows Sam more, reversing 4.1 and 6.1, but I haven't heard anything to that effect.

8.2: all I know is that it's Cas's first ep back, which suggests heavy on the purgatory flashbacks.

8.3: Jensen said it was Dean-heavy

8.4: is Winchester light in general; both Js were off for five days, and it focuses on other characters.

8.5: Jared was off for five days.

Jared said in one of the early interviews that it was a Sam-lite season, and Jensen was joking about Jared's leisure schedule and saying we should lobby for more Sam scenes. I get that Jared may need more time off, but going for a storyline that seems to be almost all emotion and not much action seems to me the worst way to deal with that, since safe, mundane, and comfortable doesn't tend to compress well dramatically.

I was disappointed in the last third of s7, but more in a "they're in holding pattern waiting for the new showrunner" way than a "they've ruined the show" way. And I was excited by what the finale seemed to be setting up. But ever since Comic Con what I've been hearing has made me actively unhappy, so there was a real, abrupt nosedive in my feelings. I do know a lot of people who have been drifting away anyway, but also quite a lot who went from excited to depressed based on spoilers.

It's very sad to hear it's going to be a sam-lite season. Boo. I won't mind heavy Dean eps, but I will confess is they are heavy Dean and Cas eps I will struggle to remain as positive. I don't mind a couple, but if there's a lot I will be sad.

I'm surprised that 8.3 is Dean heavy, especially as Jensen directed it. I thought that one was going to be about Sam's past. I must have misunderstood that.

I know the spoilers where upsetting. They upset me also. I have tried to remain positive because I enjoy being excited and I've decided that I won't actually get upset until I really have something to be upset about.

If the show decides to give the boys a lot of time off then I suspect we are in for a very different show than we had in the past. No doubt there will be a lot of complaining by fans. I know TPTB are considerate of fans, so lets hope they can give us something to be happy about.

*fingers crossed*

Jared's clarification and the fact that they chose to focus on the brothers' reunion and hug and Dean's emotional "C'mere" makes me think they are definitely making the season about Sam and Dean and their relationship. And that makes me pretty hopeful. Maybe Crowley manipulated Sam into believing Dean couldn't possibly be in Purgatory? I'm crossing my fingers that there's some explanation. Because clearly the boys are as in love as ever. Just sayin :)

Yes yes! They seem so warm together, so I am VERY curious about how it all comes about.

From the few things I've read their relationship is still very much in the forefront. There will no doubt be some issues, but it wouldn't be SPN if there wasn't.

Oooh - and I love the idea that Crowley (or someone) has manipulated Sam.

I am also very curious about the little bit of counting down they do before the promo - it's all about exactly how long they had been apart - DOWN TO THE SECOND! It matters!! So awesome! <33

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Pardon me for jumping in here, but I read somewhere that Misha said the difference in beards is because Dean/Jensen has been filming present day stuff and flashbacks while Cas/Misha is only in the flashbacks... so far at any rate. Therefore Jensen has to shave for the present day scenes but Misha doesn't. It seems to be one of those unfortunate production issues that doesn't mean anything but still feeds into the story. I suppose they could've had Misha shave and just make up something about not aging or changing in Purgatory, but I also think they wanted Cas looking haggard and worn.

Hmmm... I love your thinking. I pondered a while back if Dean may come back altered in some way (like Sam had been "altered"). And even with the info from the comment below - they may indeed address that issue of the lack of facial hair.

Dean looks very - um - together, so Purgatory may have actually been good for him. Idk - but I can't wait to find out!

I've had my spoiler fill. I haven't been clicking on character spoilers because I like to wait and see who will be returning or new etc.

*bounces some more*

I love how the fans of this show get so caught up in the whole but is that in character? question for every little piece of dialogue and action and even the intonation of the words delivered. But then I also feel sorry for them because the writing is never going to be infallible after over a hundred episodes (is there a case anywhere of any tv series running over 8 seasons where the main characters have been written perfectly consistently every single episode???) and if you let your entire enjoyment of the show ride on this aspect then you are going to fall out of love and be disappointed.

I think you can get outraged and vent loudly to all and sundry when it happens and still be just as head over heels in love with the show at the same time. Case in point - I was rather vocally objecting (you no doubt ever was in the room during said objections!) when A. Dean doesn't recognise it's not Sam almost INSTANTLY in Swap Meat like he totally would have had he been anything like IN character. or B. When Sam says that the UTTERLY RIDICULOUS COMPLETELY IMPLAUSIBLE WORDS isn't that a Transformer re the Metatron reveal. or C. When Dean calls Sam out on being a bitch about the Amy Pond incident and gets stuck into Sam and Sam is all - oh I'm sorry you were right Dean.

THERE. 3 cases off the top of my head that just get my goat everytime I think of them or watch them. But that stuff is NEVER gonna be grounds for me getting all depressed and morose about my show not being what I want exactly. I LOVED the promo and yet I was still Wait a minute - a whole year?? That's a bit much, first reaction is I don't like that idea and so I did the handwave thing and moved on to all the good stuff in the promo. I suspect there will be things I take issue with in Season 8 but you know what? I KNOW I'm still gonna love my show because that's ALWAYS gonna be there. You can choose to focus on the inconsistencies to the point that you now feel no enjoyment whatsoever or you can accept that it's gonna happen and still love the general overall awesome that is this show, that general overall awesome gives us SOOOOO many moments to love and to laugh and to smile. I almost wanna start compiling a post of such moments! Damn another project on the board!

Wow...you talked about spewing your feels on your LJ - I apologise for spewing all mine in your comments! LOL!

THIS!! TOTALLY!!

If I WANTED to I could moan about a variety of inconsistencies (and yes! My god! Swap Meat actually happened and it was awful and ridiculous but considering I can count on one hand the episodes I hated that leaves a HELLOFALOT I loved!).

I think if someone has gone off the show then, well, nothing is really going to change their minds. And I get that. A show like this seems to totally invest people and when that investment fades they can point to all sorts of reasons why that happened. Essentially, if the characters are no longer pulling you in then, yeah, that connection is lost.

At the moment, for me, it's just not the case. I honestly can't believe how HAPPY that promo made me today. Not just because of what it contained but just the thought that SHOW WILL BE BACK SOON. And that's exciting because of all the things that that entails. Not only watching the show but then engaging in all the chat and thoughts about said show. I will no doubt moan about certain things. I am sure I will tear my hair out about certain things. The day something bothers me in the show and I don't care or rant and rage will be the day my investment has faded.

I am still ridiculously in love with the boys and the universe. Sure, I get frustrated with some aspects - of which some is fandom related - but while the majority of it leaves me squeeing and thoughtful and swooning I know I'm still in for the ride.

HEE!! Mutual spewing of feels! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!

Should I watch? I've been going back and forth. I figure I've heard enough about it that I won't be spoiled much. It might tide me over until we get the season 7 GAG REEL! Waiting, pacing, waiting, checking calendar, checking watch, checking the mailbox, whining are we there yet?

If you are somewhat spoiled already then I'd say yes. It's completely uplifting. If you are not spoiled at all then I would say NO NO! It completely gives away how the season starts. Though I'm sure there is a SO MUCH MORE going on. :DD

It spoils for a couple of returning characters too. ;)

AND I WANT THE GAG REEL! When is it due? It's usually early Sept yeah? *grabby hands* (I already have a couple of songs ready to vid it to also...;D)

Oooh - where's your icon from?

Amazon says my dvds will get here September 18 so I'm counting on that. I've been waiting for the gag reel since Guy Bee talked about some crazy thing with a metronome from early in the season. It was a good year for goofing off, evidently, if you count the workout outtake and the no pants award show thing.

The icon is from a pin given to the crew that I found over on the wiki. Phil Scriggia designed this one. I love the green hand. It's easier to make out on the wiki.

There should be some great outtakes! I listened to that Guy Bee interview (if that's what you are referring to).. I loved that he said there was so much great stuff going on during the shoot. YAY!

And thanks for the info. It's a cool design. :)

I'm kind of loving the way this sets up the idea of Purgatory as having been weirdly good for Dean and Cas both? Dangerous and horrible, sure, but "everyone out for themselves" at least means "everyone gets to make choices for themselves" and I think that would sound better to them than Hell or Heaven.

I'm so excited for Sassy Kevin. <3

And you know that spoiler about Sam not caring about Dean being gone?! Jared clarified that that ISN'T THE CASE!

Admittedly, I'm not up on the vast majority of interview spoilers, but I don't think anyone expected us to think Sam didn't care Dean was gone? More along the lines of "there was nothing he could do so he decided to grieve and let it be," which I at least understood to mean "Sam learned his lesson about what happens when people go around ripping interdimensional holes in the universe." IMO, that's pretty far off from "he doesn't care about his brother."

I don't know. I really love the idea for one of them to have broken this insane Winchester cycle of escalation. They can have healthy love! #misguided optimism

I really love the idea that it could be good for Dean - and maybe Cas? (hard to tell with him looking so forlorn.. but I look forward to seeing his journey...)

You really hit the nail on the head here. I think for both Sam and Dean this could be showing some maturity here. Or some growth. I think if Sam had spent his time suicidal and looking for ways to make a deal that would lead to the end of the world then he hasn't learned anything. If the boys have somehow come through with this with character development and genuine growth then I think that's exciting. (Doesn't mean I don't want to see them do crazy stupid things for each other...;D)

And I'll jump on that optimism anytime!

xx

It's a slippery slop, is all I'm saying. But it's nice to see your enthusiasm, even if I ~~can't~~ wont' watch the promo myself....

I KNOW!! :(((

I wasn't going to but I NEEDED to.

I'm satisfied now so THAT'S IT!

<33

Wow-we get a hug in the promo, even.. And that smile...::happy sigh::

The smiles is super lovely! And HUG! YAY! :D

Well, all I can say is if you go into Season 8 being disappointed and just saying it will suck than IT WILL. Sometimes, I know it's hard when the show is doing things you don't like but that is kind of no excuse being pessimistic all the time. If the show wasn't up to standards and just making me depressed and I just felt obligated to watch it, I'd just stop and maybe reevaluate why I love it. Than hopefully I can rediscover my hidden love for the show and be EXCITED.

Because that's the whole point of the new Season. To be EXCITED, GLEEFUL, CRAZY OUT OF YOUR MIND HAPPY!

Sure some spoilers are unfavorable but like I have been saying all along NEVER take those things at face value. As Jared said, spoilers are misconstrued and sometimes just flat out untrue. Don't hinge your whole view of Season 8 on spoilers, believe me.

But the PROMO. WE GET HUGS, KEVIN, PURGATORY, BLOODY DEAN, AWESOMELY LONG HAIRED SAM.

I'm excited! And I really hope a lot of fans who have lost their love or excitement for the show can rediscover it and be excited too.

It's weird but when I hear fans being negative I immediately want to say...but..but... look on the bright side! But I get that some are just over it... or rather, over what the show is offering now.

The thing I don't get is we haven't even had the season yet. I'm not sure we can be completely "OMG, it's going to be awful" when we haven't even seen it.

If, after say 6 eps and it's no longer offering me what I used to enjoy from it, then I'll start to re-evaluate. I suspect the day I stop loving it will be the day that I forget it's on, or don't care if I watch it or not. I really don't want that to happen. At the moment I'm just excited we have another season and our boys will be on our screens again soon.

\o/

Your post made me watch the promo!! :DDDDDD

And indeed: Bring it friggin' on! About time my weekly dose of SPN returns. :D

xx

I was so excited when I saw the trailer that I was a a loss for words other than EEEEEEEEEE! Can't wait!

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